The Noble Pagan Forums - Religion in Schools

We dont have religion in our schools before what we call 'gymnasiet' which is after 9th or 10th grade, and even then I believe it is not mandatory and it is not only christianity that is tought... I never had a problem with my religion in school and that might be because all faith based groups are banned from public schools...

Jenny Penny I feel your pain, or rather did.

I grew up in white suburbia in a very VERY very Christian neighborhood. I was the ONLY girl that didn't go to Church and let me tell you, people noticed.

First they tried inviting all of us to church. When that failed they started inviting just me. When that failed my play mate down the street, her mother told me my days were numbered and I would be burning alongside my family if I didn't go to church....that and the Mormons were taking over because they were building a temple.

I ran home screaming and told my mother everything. I'm surprised that the phone didn't crush into a fine powdery mist by the force of her grip as she called my playmates Mom and explained to her in no uncertain terms....Poke it.

When kids at school found out I wasn't Christian I got asked all sorts of insane questions and even to the point the Principle called me into her office one day after finding my best friends journal, and asked if her and I cursed the schools plumbing system along with any students.

We salute you, NC and your idiocy.


Its amazing how comfortable parents are with Religion in schools but aren't with sexual education...and then ponder where they went wrong when their 16 year old comes home pregnant.

Yea...here? Sexual Education is limited to-- hey...ughhh...don't stick that thing between your legs into that thing between her legs because you might get sick and your willy will fall off. Plus God will smite you for premarital sex.

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Okay stepping in - aside from ACLU - again I am open always have been so I have to approach what Jenny said about the cirlces - When they began having prayer vigils outside school I rang up my group and and 8 am we had circles as well - when asked why [ oh did I mention I rang the local paper to ] I blatantly pointed out that there is no discrimination allowable on the grounds and that I was merely adressing my own childrens needs.

Awesome pics in local paper and not a spot of trouble. Sometimes what you have to deal with has alot to do with how open or not you are. I realize some cannot be but - then you already by virture of remaining within the closet accept that you might have to bite your tongue to keep the peace.

ACLU --- my thoughts and opinions...from where I have been this too becomes just how much you are willingly to risk financially and elsewise in such endevors. And from most points of view and expereince [ Pagan Awareness Colaotion = four yrs ] they are fairly useless save for information you could have gotten on your own . Their weight is diminished do to funding and personal issues

Student Religious Clubs
General Rule: The Equal Access Act (" EAA") (20 U. S. C. §§ 4071-74) requires public schools which meet certain criteria to treat all student-initiated groups equally, regardless of the religious, political, philosophical or other orientation of the groups. This means that to the extent that a school board opens up its school facilities to any student-led and run non-curriculum related group, it must uniformly open its facilities to all student-led and run groups, including religious ones. The EAA was adopted by Congress in 1984, and its constitutionality was upheld by the U. S. Supreme Court in Board of Education of Westside Community Schools v. Mergens, 496 U. S. 226 (1990).

This Chapter is limited to a discussion of student-initiated religious clubs. Chapter X addresses the related topic of access to school facilities by outside religious clubs and organizations.

Does the EAA apply to all schools? No. The EAA only applies to schools that meet a three-part test. The school must:

Be a public secondary school;

Receive federal financial assistance; and

Have designated certain facilities as a "limited open forum."
What is a "Secondary School" in the context of the EAA? A secondary school is often defined by state statute, but typically means grades 9 - 12. It is unlikely that the Equal Access Act applies to so-called "middle" schools. 61

What is a "limited open forum" in the context of the EAA? A "limited open forum" is created when a public secondary school allows one or more "non-curriculum related student groups to meet on school premises during non-instructional time." 20 USCA § 4071( b). Local school boards decide whether to create and maintain limited open forums.

What is a "non-curriculum related student group"? "Non-curriculum related student group," as used in Equal Access Act, refers to those student groups whose activities are not directly related to the body of courses offered by the public school (e. g., the chess club). Student groups that are directly related to the subject matter of courses offered by the school (e. g., the Spanish club) do not fall within the non-curriculum-related category and thus would be considered curriculum-related. 62, 63

What restrictions does EAA place on non-curriculum related student groups?
The group must be student-initiated.

The group must be student-sponsored and student-led.

Participation in the group must be voluntary.

What are the rights of non-curriculum related student groups under the EAA? The EAA grants these groups equal access to school facilities for meetings, and equal access to school media (e. g. school publications, school bulletin boards and public address systems) for publicizing their activities. They may choose their own leaders, restricting certain leadership roles to people of their own faith. 64 However, general membership probably cannot be limited.

What is "non-instructional time"? "Non-instructional time" is time which a school sets aside before classroom instruction begins or after classroom instruction ends. Non-instructional time also encompasses an activity period or lunch period during which instruction does not occur and during which other groups are allowed to meet. 65

What are the rights retained by school authorities under the EAA? School officials have the right to monitor club meetings to ensure compliance with provisions of the EAA. School authorities can "maintain order and discipline on school premises" and may prohibit club meetings which "materially and substantially interfere with the orderly conduct of educational activities within the school." School officials have the duty of protecting the "well-being of students and faculty." School officials should require religious clubs to follow the same rules as all other student clubs, including adherence to any nondiscrimination policy.

School authorities may establish time, place and manner regulations applicable to club meetings, provided that the restrictions are uniform and nondiscriminatory. School officials have the right to close the limited open forum at any time by prohibiting all non-curriculum related clubs from meeting on school premises, thus ending the school's obligations under the EAA. 66

What are the restrictions and obligations placed upon the school, its agents and employees by the EAA? School personnel, including teachers, may not initiate, sponsor, promote, lead or participate in religious club meetings. However, school personnel may be required to monitor club meetings. 20 USCA §4071.

May outsiders attend meetings? Outsiders, such as clergy members, may not initiate club meetings. Outsiders "may not direct, conduct, control or regularly attend activities of student groups." 67 Outsiders may occasionally attend club meetings if invited by the students and if the school does not generally prohibit such guests. However, school officials may totally forbid non-school persons from attending all student club meetings. 68

What are some concerns that arise when a club meets pursuant to the EAA? The meeting of religious clubs in school facilities pursuant to their rights under the EAA may create an appearance of school endorsement of religion in violation of the Establishment Clause. School officials must protect against such impressions and may do so by issuing disclaimers clearly stating that the school is not sponsoring, endorsing or promoting any non-curriculum related student groups.

Schools must also recognize and guard against the threat of coercive peer pressure, which may be substantial. Student club members may be able to coerce students into joining sectarian groups and adhering to the club's beliefs, particularly if the student body is composed largely of the same religious faith as that practiced by club members. Such clubs might create "insider" and "outsider" student groups, and, as a result, students may be ridiculed, harassed or ostracized.

Sample Scenarios:
High School Principal Rejects Student Application for Bible Club, but Permits Other Non-Curriculum Related Clubs
Three students at Hawthorne High School decide to form a Bible study club. To organize and structure their club, they enlist the help of their local minister. A school science teacher agrees to become the club advisor. The principal has allowed a wide variety of clubs to meet after school hours, including the chess club, the audiovisual squad, and the Spanish club, but is concerned about the controversy that this club could create. The students claim that the Equal Access Act protects their right to form this club. When he rejects the club proposal, the principal states that all other school clubs are related to the curriculum and hence the Equal Access Act does not apply.

Is the principal correct?
The school has created a limited open forum by allowing other non-curriculum related clubs to meet, and therefore it must allow the Bible study club to meet. However, the roles of the minister and science teacher in the club have to be carefully controlled pursuant to the dictates of the EAA.

People in Community Object to Controversial Non-Curriculum Related Club
A high school allows non-curriculum related student-organized, student-led clubs to meet before and after the school day. A very controversial club has been proposed by a student, and many in the community are opposed to this club's meeting.

What are the school's options?
Under any circumstance, a school may prohibit clubs and organizations that are contrary to the educational mission of the school or present a danger to the health and safety of a school. This is a very high standard: a school district may not bar a student club merely because the school or the community disagrees with its message, even if they disagree strongly. Should the District so elect, it can ban all such non-curriculum related clubs (such as service clubs) including this one.



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